Wednesday, 4 February 2009

Lies nailed & Spanish Economic Woes

Spain is now in dire economic straits, their 10 year bond spread to bunds rose to 1.37% yesterday at their 7bn Euro 10 year bond auction. Greece dare not even try to get a 10 year offering away for fear of complete disaster. Unemployment in Spain is now at 3.3 mn or 14.4%. Civil unrest will follow. They are being shafted by the Euro.

I have made it clear I will not tolerate my reputation and integrity being trashed by sources close to the UKIP hierarchy. This is not being disloyal to UKIP. I have an absolute right to defend myself and my reputation and I will do so at any cost.

The statement from the Common Man blog that "Mr Young voted in favour of the expulsion of both Mr Abbott and Mr Edmonds." is a lie. Del voted against my expulsion and David's whenever he was present. As Nigel says, Any Fule do know the Common Man can't spell.

An email from Mr Gill to Mr Huxley is now posted on the internet. It smears me and my co-signatories to a letter sent to UKIP members advocating rejection of the proposed constitutional changes . Mr Gill was in charge of UKIP MEP selection last summer. I print my email reply to Mr Gill below.

Dear Mr Gill,

I reproduce part of your email in italics below to Mr Huxley, a decent ordinary member now posted on the internet..

"The fact of the matter is that until they were expelled from the NEC the behaviour of certain members frustrated all attempts at progress (hence the need to change the Party rules) and I am convinced that this was a deliberate tactic.

I would not go so far as to say that all of the signatories to the letter have links to the BNP - some almost certainly do but there are one or two others who I suspect have simply been duped into lending their support without recognising the ulterior motive.
"


The first paragraph clearly refers to David Abbott and myself and is a lie. David, Martin Haslam, Del and I argued on the NEC for justice for ordinary UKIP members and for financial transparency in UKIP accounts. I presume the converse is your idea of progress. Did you not learn from your long service on the Tory backbenches that British democracy means tolerating and respecting people who have views that may not agree with yours?

The second paragraph is a disgusting attempt to smear the signatories to a letter opposing the proposed constitutional changes, a letter they were perfectly entitled to send. If you have evidence to support your outrageous accusation that I, or any of the other signatories, have BNP links then you are honour bound to publish it. Otherwise you should publicly apologise to all the signatories.

Eric Edmond

An elected NEC member with a democratic mandate illegitimately expelled

23 comments:

Bob Feal-martinez said...

What an odd way to start your latest 'critique' of the party. Do you believe it is right to utilise the official UKIP data base to send out unsanctioned and unofficial letters.

Do you not understand the damage you are doing to the party by your actions. It would several of your colleagues who put there names to the letter have denied any responsibility for the letters distribution. Why do you think that should be if the use of the UKIP data base was legitimate, as you claim.

Junius said...

Eric, Do not take any notice of this Farage sycophant. He is part of the problem. He is the one helping to damage UKIP by endorsing Farage's dishonesty.

And for the record the UKIP database WAS NOT used by Roger Knapman or his colleagues.

You can now go back to sleep Bob.

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Bob Feal-martinez said...

junius, have you been allowed near a computer, you know it will have left a 'footprint'. Oh I know you obviously haven't gone to work because of the snow.

If those involved in sending out the letter have not used the data base then they will have nothing to fear when the police come calling, assuming of course it is reported.

All I would say is that if you use a mailing service it is traceable.

Greg L-W. said...

Bob Feel Martinis as a founder member of The Faragista Fan Club who has only just joined EUkip - are you aware of howmuch damage you do EUkip by supporting the lies and corruption that are the leadership of EUkip.

Farage is a liar, a cheat, a fantasist and merely a filed City Barrow Boy who would seem to have spent the last 10 years stuffing his pockets.

As I predicted over 10 years ago Nigel farage would destroy the very party he had helped build if he ever TRIED to become leader. His failure to be honestly elected was the beginning of the end and this one trick pony of a party under his incompetent and dishonest leadership has betrayed all who have supported UKIP over the years and ensured EUkip is a one hit wonder.

Surely Bob you must be just a little embarrassed to be so anti Patriotic in the manner in which you are aiding The EU's usefull idiots AND supporting the dishonesty, bullying, lies and corruption of the rotten head of EUkip.

In utter contempt at your established dishonesty,
Greg L-W.
for legally established and unchallenged FACTS
keep reading Eric's Blog or JUNIUS or
http:// CaterpillarsAndButterflies .BLOGspot .com (remove spaces)

Greg L-W. said...

Hi,

Bob Feel Martinis asked:

Do you believe it is right to utilise the official UKIP data base to send out unsanctioned and unofficial letters.

May I ask if YOU feel it is right to make an accusatory assumptive lie, as ever you have no provenance - therefor your smear tactic is contemptible.

Had these Party officials used the official list, which I know they did not nor did I provide them with either my old list or my current list, I would applaud this usage as it brings democratic balance to the undeniably corrupt lies of the NEC and leadership.

Do you not understand the damage you are doing to the party by your actions.

In your confussion are you unaware that Farage's proven dishonesty and corruption and the manner in which he has contrived to abuse the interests of UKIP members and our Country is destructive and befouled as EUkip is now it is better to kill it off and the signators to the Body / Knapman / Congdon etc. letter are to be applauded for having endeavoured to clean up EUkip and make it fit for purpose - one's only criticism should be that they had lacked the sense or intergrity to take this action when Farage first encouraged corruption and abuse of the principles and values of UKIP.

It would several of your colleagues who put there names to the letter have denied any responsibility for the letters distribution.

I would assume that you are asking who distributed the balance to the grab for power of Farage - I believe it was the Royal Mail and also by eMail.

If it is your implication that ANY of the signators DID NOT put their name to this letter I contend sir that without provenance and the names of those you claim - your slur must be seen to be a lie and thus an appology is essential.

Why do you think that should be if the use of the UKIP data base was legitimate, as you claim.

Every signator put his name to the letter and the party data base was not used - thus your appology is apposite.

For their efforts to democratise and try to legitimise the behaviour of EUkip NEC and leadership with their scurrilous unbalanced and uninformative NEC letter seeking to exploit the ignorance of elderly members, I believe the Body letter authors should be praise and the party recompence them for their costs.

It is to be hoped that the entire leadership and the nodding donkeys and placemen of the NEC will have the basic integrity to stand down and leave EUkip for the harm they have done the party and the damage their dishonesty has cause these United Kingdoms.

You would be welcome to leave with them in view of your support for corruption, abuse and lies that are so counter the interests of our Country.

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 - 62 65 62
http://CaterpillarsAndButterflies.BLOGspot.com

Bob Feal-martinez said...

Just for the record I know how the letters were sent and which private provider sent them. I have spoken with them who confirm they send out letters from a data base provided to them.

So GLW clearly more lies from you. I bet EE loves to see you post on his blog. It really does his credibility a lot of good (Not)

Bob Feal-martinez said...

AS the coward GLW doesn't allow anyone to dispute his lies on his blog, and given EE gives him a voice here I thought I would ask which Swindon he was referring to in this post:

In the last day or two he has merely strutted up and down the passages in Strasburgh fulminating at the fact that since it seems either he does NO WORK, or can't read he had not been told that there was a meeting of loyal UKIP members in Swindon. Farage is furious as he fears people discussing the truth and realises that if the truth of the corruption becomes too widespread then the honest UKIP members may well split the party leaving Farage and the filth he has gathered around him with no work force to try to get him back as an MEP - his ONLY interest in members (save only the females under 35, where possible!).

There is after all several Swindons, one in Gloucestershire,
one in Staffordshire, one in Northumberland and of course one in Wiltshire.

So which one had the meeting, given that the only meeting recently of the Wiltshire Swindon was a social function, our next meeting being our AGM on 25th February.

So GLW please state which Swindon Just for the record the Swindon Wiltshire group are loyal to the leadership. They are of course concerned that the harm being done by Knapmans letter, but most are voting Yes (according to those who have expressed a view) to the amendments.

Junius said...

Bob FM you are a fool and a liar.

Bob Feal-martinez said...

And your an odious cowardly parasite who makes a living and then bite the hand that feeds you.

Nothing I have written here or anywhere else is a lie. Please highlight which post on here is a lie.

Would it be a lie to say that Mr Edmond is party to a secret meeting to be held on Saturday, which is purported to be about the harmonisation of those in favour of with drawing from Europe, but apparently those that know have been told not to reveal it.

Or that the organiser of this meeting is a former UKIP senior official, or that several speakers are UKIP PPC's or MEP candidates. Would that be a lie, also.

Junius said...

Temper, temper Bob. You need to control yourself. You got banned from the Forum for being stupid.

There is no secret meeting on Saturday. The agenda has now been published.

If you have the courage why not go to Swindon Railway Museum and argue your point?

Farage is too much of a coward to do so. Are you the same?

Bob Feal-martinez said...

The event seems to by special invitation only and unlike certain people I do not gate crash meetings. If the organisers were interested in inviting me they would have responded to my email today. They cannot argue they didn't get it because I instigated the local press contacting them.

If the agenda has been published then perhaps you could direct me as to where.

Also we see on the Common man that Haslam has rather shot himself in the 'holier than though' foot.

In December of last year, Mr Haslam invited a number of people to a meeting at a location in West Sussex.

After the recriminations following Mr Haslams ejection from the NEC, those present were more than a little surprised to discover that the first speaker was one Buster Mottram. This was nothing compared to the stunned silence when the second speaker was introduced, for it was none other than one Mr N Griffin, BNP leader.

It is also suggested that Edmond is to defect to Libertas. Rather an odd thing to do given that that party is about remaining in Europe.

All in all the pigeons are coming home to roost, it seems the party leadership was right to take the actions they have over the last few months. I wonder how the others who signed the NO letter are feeling, having clearly been so badly betrayed by those they supported.

Greg L-W. said...

Bob Feel Martinis said in italics and I respond:

Just for the record I know how the letters were sent and which private provider sent them. I have spoken with them who confirm they send out letters from a data base provided to them.

I'm sure that was no secret and so what? The data base was NOT the party data base and they did not use my original one or my current one.

So GLW clearly more lies from you.

You are very glib with your false accusations - was this your Police training! Perhaps substantiate the accusation or be man enough to appologise.

I bet EE loves to see you post on his blog. It really does his credibility a lot of good (Not)

Perhaps if you were not so ridiculously inaccurate and constantly abusive you might be taken seriously!

AS the coward GLW doesn't allow anyone to dispute his lies on his blog,

That I have comments turned off on my Newsletter Blog at:
http://CaterPillarsAndButterflies.BLOGspot.com is NOT cowardice as you well know - I just don't have time to address the plethora of idiots who would use funny names to be abusive on there and I provide my eMail on my BLOG and respond to intelligent postings on a public basis.

Unlike you who selectively censor comment on your YouTube site dishonestly & cowardly!

and given EE gives him a voice here I thought I would ask which Swindon he was referring to in this post:

Clearly in normal parlance Swindon is the scroffulous little town just North of Marlborough on the M4 corridor.

In the ... CUT for Brevity ...sible!).

There is after all several Swindons, one in Gloucestershire,
one in Staffordshire, one in Northumberland and of course one in Wiltshire.


There are indeed:
Swindon Gloucestershire is a SUBURB of Cheltenham though with its own village hall!

Which Swindon comes to mind when Swindon is named on the National News?

So which one had the meeting,

Who said there had BEEN a meeting?

given th ...SNIPPED FOR BREVITY ...ruary.

So GLW please state which Swindon

I suggest that YOU go to Swindon Northumberland!

Or ask someone to explain to you, as all who are coming to Swindon plan on using their intelligence!

Just for the record the Swindon Wiltshire group are loyal to the leadership. They are of course concerned that the harm being done by Knapmans letter, but most are voting Yes (according to those who have expressed a view) to the amendments.

How sad to see that Swindon Branch have opted to support corruption, dishonesty and lies - a clearly unpatriotic set of values - possibly the influence of so many foreigners in Swindon!

The BFM then responded to JUNIUS:

And your an odious cowardly parasite who makes a living and then bite the hand that feeds you.

Did you mean bites? Have you any any provenance that those who post as JUNIUS bite the hand that FEEDS them in their patriotic efforts to expose the corruption in EUkip?

If not an appology would be apposite.

Nothing I have written here or anywhere else is a lie. Please highlight which post on here is a lie.

I think you will find JUNIUS is merely alluding to the general lack of rogour in your postings relative to fact, accuracy or the truth and your anti British support of EUkip and corruption.

Would it be a lie to say that Mr Edmond is party to a secret meeting to be held on Saturday, which is purported to be about the harmonisation of those in favour of with drawing from Europe, but apparently those that know have been told not to reveal it.

In your paranoia you couldn't possibly mean the meeting in Swindon as advertised on my Blog at:
http://caterpillarsandbutterflies.blogspot.com/2009/01/246-uk-renewal-association-ltd.html
and of course in numerous other places copies of which have been supplied to almost all of the leadership and NEC of EUkip and specifically sent to Arnott, Harris, Alison and many others.

Are you surprised you were left out of the loop by your puppet masters?

Or that the organiser of this meeting is a former UKIP senior official, or that several speakers are UKIP PPC's or MEP candidates. Would that be a lie, also.

Is this a question or a continuation of your paranoid fantasies?
No one has for a moment kept any of this secret - the agenda is readily available and therte will be an honest report afterwards unlike the drivel EUkip puts out on meetings or the fantasy represented by EUkip NEC meeting minutes!

You will note that it takes time to respond to idiots and to encourage them on my blog would be a gross waste of time - since my blog is merely to publish the truth and expose corruption in a patriotic manner to actively seek exit from the EU and to publish my opinions.

You have several Blogs I note.

Why not post your scurrilous accusation and paranoid anti British activities there.

Regards,
Greg L-W.
01291 - 62 65 62
http://CaterpillarsAndButterflies.BLOGspot.com

Eric Edmond said...

I do wish BobFM could make up his mind if I am in the BNP or Libertas I have only been in one party all my life that I know of but Bob obviously knows better than I do.

Junius said...

The event is NOT by special invitation.

You are clearly to cowardly to attend the meeting and are desperate to provide an excuse not to go - just like Farage.

The agenda can be found on my blog http://www.juniusonukip.blogspot.com/ and on the British Democracy Forum.

Greg L-W. said...

Hi,

JUNIUS is quite right there has be loads of info. and I started commenting on it in detail on my Blog on 24-Jan-2009 having known about the registration of the Limited Company back in November as I recall.

The BFM must have been so carried away with his ego centric obsession and ducking to avoid the truth that he clearly missed it.

It is clear that he would have nothing to offer this new organisation and he is obsessed with his unpatriotic cover up of corruption and support for the discreditted leadership of EUkip.

It is my opinion that the crass behaviour of discreditted supporters like Andreasen, McGough, The BFM, Croucher, Reeve, NuttAll, Zucherman, Bannerman, Titford, Smith and their ilk will be the downfall of Farage's dwindling party and without the income from the scam he will soon leave!

Just so as many people as possible know about this meeting in Swindon that The BFM has not noticed (showing just how out of the loop he is and isolated) I have published even more details on my Blog.

One must be pleased that The BFM has brought it to the attention of the local media and I'm sure they will be made most welcome - I hope he has made it very clear he has absolutely nothing to do with the meeting as that might be something of a mill stone as many of his supporters are to the undeniably corrupt Farage.

To address some of the hapless BFM's fantasies directly, which are from his comments above and are in italics:


Also we see on the Common man that Haslam has rather shot himself in the 'holier than though' foot.

Since the web site quoted posts annonimously and is utterly discreditted - few read it save its authors as they preen I would have thought.

It is discreditted as the authors do not believe in their own scurrilous fantasies to put their names to them.

To date every item mailed to me for clarification by honest people seeking provenance or comment would seem to be either a lie or a gross distortion of a snippet of fact - thus the site can be discounted as fundamentally dishonest and as EUkip's hole gets deeper it would seem they dig harder to damage EUkip!

By all means read it to see just how fundamentally corrupt and unpleasant EUkip supporters are, when measured against the truth.

In December of last year, Mr Haslam invited a number of people to a meeting at a location in West Sussex.

I understand this is as ever a grain of truth distorted most dishonestly and libelously.

I am given to understand that Martin Hasslam who I know to be rather a politically naive but utterly decent sort - who has put a great deal of both his time and his money into UKIP to be most unpleasantly duped by the egregious filth that now runs EUkip.

I understand that not only was he 'set up' in a style not disimilar to the poor chap tucked up by our corrupt police for the Rachel Nickel murder.

I understand that Buster Motram a long term friend and associate of Farage's was a primary speaker at the event, which I believe Martin Hasslam WAS INVITED TO - without knowledge of whom his host was inviting.

I understand Martin Hasslam had no prior knowledge that there were to be speakers, one of whom is a regular escort of Farage's cousin. That Griffin of the BNP was to be present I do not believe Martin Hasslam had the vaguest clue about.

May I remind you that firstly it is I believe an offence under law to repeat a libel, or untruth with intent to damage an individual.

That said few are aware of just how revolting are the BNP and it would be a sad world that we may become like the EU where unwitting association would seem to be a crime.

It could be argued, much as Griffin and his revolting party disgust me, that he has done less harm to our Country than have Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Jack Straw and their ilk - we note that the liar and cheat McGough - also associates with Farage and the communist Jack Straw who when in office as Home Secretary endeavoured to cover for his brother, in abuse of his office, who had been sexually abusing his 14 year old son and as a result of Jack Straw's intervention went on to assault a minor and sexually harass the daughter of family friends - does that make McGough a pederast as well as a liar and a cheat?

I think not!

After the recriminations following Mr Haslams ejection from the NEC, those present were more than a little surprised to discover that the first speaker was one Buster Mottram. This was nothing compared to the stunned silence when the second speaker was introduced, for it was none other than one Mr N Griffin, BNP leader.

I believe you will agree even if this was true, which I do not believe it is - no crime has been committed.

I well recall being asked by Griffin if he could attend as a guest at a Training Weekend I was holding - I stated he was welcome as long as he respected the chairman and other guests present and the fact that I would personally renounce his party.

I had no fear of Griffin and was of the opinion that my factual knowledge would be a match for his jingo any day.

He stated the reason he wished to attend was to learn more about The EU so that his party could better address an exit strategy.

I would welcome debate with Griffin to expose the dishonesty of his party and the lack of principle of its foundations in evil and its unwillingness to announce its succour for ritual murder for entertainment.

The dishonest and the corrupt like yourself Bob Feel Martinis have endeavoured to link my name with the BNP as you have with many other lies and dishonesties you have been willing to promote.

It is also suggested that Edmond is to defect to Libertas. Rather an odd thing to do given that that party is about remaining in Europe.

I believe that you will find you are unable to substantiate this and as for my position regarding Declan Ganley's duplicitous anti women's rights, religious based Irish Party you will note my comments on:
http://LibertasUK.BLOGspot.com

All in all the pigeons are coming home to roost, it seems the party leadership was right to take the actions they have over the last few months.

Indeed the pidgeons do seem to be coming home to roost and they seem to be defecating all over your parade - a downside risk of being a useful idiot in support of self serving dishonesty and corruption.

I wonder how the others who signed the NO letter are feeling, having clearly been so badly betrayed by those they supported.

I believe they will be signing NO if they are honest and know enough to know just how dishonest the divisive and self serving attempt to change the constitution and shelter from the financial folly of their behaviour behind a Limited Company.

That all of the signators to the letter signed by Sir Richard Body, Roger Knapman MEP, Prof. Tim Condon, Dr. David Abbott, Dr. Eric Edmond and others signed I am aware of many many more who would have signed it and unlike those who signed Farage's scam they would have done so with pride rather than bullied, lied to or out of weakness greed or sycophancy.

Consider weak and duplicitous idiots like Batten who does not realise he has signed the instrument of his own excorriation. That such as Denny has signed it he has already been proven a liar, a cheat and corrupt such that he was dumped as untrustworthy by the NEC at one stage but is still there as a nodding donkey for Farage - he would sign anything Farage put under his nose with the ready glee of Mr. Bronco and the document would have the same validity.

I wonder could you confine yourself to fact BFM rather than your dishonest wheedling aggression if you expect further clarification of your misunderstandings.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

Bob Feal-martinez said...

I do wish BobFM could make up his mind if I am in the BNP or Libertas I have only been in one party all my life that I know of but Bob obviously knows better than I do.

Eric when have I claimed you were in the BNP. Also I note your carefully worded response, not denying you are to leave UKIP and join Liberatas. So I will ask you outright. Are you intending to join Liberatas. Those who voted you onto the MEP list have a right to know.

I note it is OK for GLW to post a diatribe on someone elses blogg, but he doesn't have the time to monitor his own. Odd reason given he spends 90% of his life, or so it seems attending to his blog.

As for the meeting when it comes to believing people about secrecy, I will favour Swindon's (Wiltshire) long serving members of those who post from anonymity.

As for attending the meeting, given that it is a Saturday and I run a pub, that clearly is not an option at short notice. Had of course this information been freely communicated then perhaps I could have made alternative arrangements. Lest await the diatribes that will be reported no doubt by those whose only intent is to damage UKIP. It is obviously the case given the name selected that the group had no intention of being open and transparent because frankly from a political standpoint the name is crass.

So we note from Company registration that it registered in exactly the same way as being suggested by UKIP's NEC. So we see the hypocrisy of the NO letter when 2 of those who signed it, are happy with the same thing in their new company.

I think that says it all. Good luck on the meeting I hope you won't be too lonely talking to yourselves.

Bob Feal-martinez said...

At least Eric escapes GLW's wrath.

It seems he doesn't go a bundle on Bruce Lawson or Geoffrey Kingscott.

Geoffrey Kingscott had his opportunities to Clean Up EUkip and when his moment for glory came he was found unfit or unwilling to acquit his duty - whether due to self interest or weak lack of moral fibre it is hard to tell, though I would like to think his heart was in the right place.

There seems nothing Geoffrey likes more than organising meetings and I'm damned if I can see what the last 3 or 4 were for, as his audience dwindled away until in a fit of pique he announced to the world, for he has no need of shaving mirror, that he was retiring from politics. In his case how wise!

Bruce Lawson

- Chartered Accountantant and serial entrepreneur, Parliamentary Candidate (Wrekin 2005). Won 10% of the vote in the Welsh Assembly Election 2007. UKIP National Treasurer 2006/2007.

01686-668004
Bruce Lawson: Bruce.Lawson@btinternet.com

A self seeking utter waste of space. He had every opportunity to acquit his duty and lurched from pomposity to idiocy, he is no judge of character and when he makes much of being an accountant one must bear in mind that is no claim of trust, honesty or probity one need only consider Marta Andreasen, Mick McGough & Andrew Smith all are accountants and that would make no recomendation to any discerning individual of integrity.

Bruce Lawson is a fool and to be trusted as far as you can kick him his red face, in the publicity photo he chose himself, is either suppressed anger, at thwarted ambition, or embarrassment at having made a fool of himself yet again. Perhaps one day he will actually tell people what happened to the £170,000 that was squandered in Wales and was it in fact trousered as he was the accountant at the time I believe! Of equal interest is from whence it came and are the rumours true that it was money from The Ind.Dem. Group that was misappropriated and laundered under his nose as treasurer?

http://www.zimbio.com/UK+Political+Gossip/articles/74/246+K+RENEWAL+ASSOCIATION+LTD

With friends like GLW do you need enemies Eric. Because it strikes me that GLW given his way of linking people will surely be implying your complicity.

Greg L-W. said...

Hi,

The BFM again makes a fool of himself but I must thank him for posting the facts about Lawson & Kingscott - As ever I stand by every word I published.

It was good of The BFM to show that I will not tolerate dishonesty, corruption or duplicitous self seeking from anyone in public office or on the public purse.

Unlike The BFM whose support for undeniable dishonesty, corruption and betrayal is no less than collusion. Claims of refusal toi accept the truth using a refusal to investigate the facts is no less criminal than the actions in which The BFM colludes by his vigerous efforts to avoid the facts, yet work to cover up the crimes.

Eric is well aware of my views on corruption, dishonesty and even collusion even in weakness if on the public purse.

The BFM said:

http://www.zimbio.com/UK+Political+Gossip/articles/74/246+K+RENEWAL+ASSOCIATION+LTD

With friends like GLW do you need enemies Eric. Because it strikes me that GLW given his way of linking people will surely be implying your complicity.

stupid as you show yourself to be on a serial basis - and I note you have run away from the undeniable fact that I have in detail shown your claims and utterances to date on this blog to be wrong, wrong and wrong - had you a wit of knowledge of EUkip you would be aware that Eric Edmond was not a member when Kingscott so let the side down and defaulted on his duty as Returning Officer, thus colluding in corruption. Similarly with regard to Bruce Lawson, whom I believe he barely knows and knows little of.

& as you say BFM - I do not go a bundle on either Bruce Lawson or Geoffrey Kingscott for the reasons, backed by fact, that you have kindly posted.

As a supporter of UKIP for many years and prepared to put in a great deal of work to this day to support and promote the principles of UKIP particularly in trying to recreate the party from the ruins of EUkip befouled by Farage and the fools and low life around him - I resent this bufoon BFM's constant idiocy based on no knowledge and less understanding - his comments are serially dishonest, false or misleading and have little basis in reality.

I note The BFM is still convincing himself of the fantasy that the Swindon meeting was kept secret - HOW if one aims to attract people WHY if one has mailed various of the corrupt senior figures in EUkip and ensured it is in the hands of Farage's RO?

That they have cut The BFM out of the loop is probably because they hoped he would not attend as he is so damaging to EUkip.

CONSIDER The BFM said:

It is obviously the case given the name selected that the group had no intention of being open and transparent because frankly from a political standpoint the name is crass.

So we understand because The BFM doesn't like the name the meeting was secret - just howmuch of the stock in your pub do you consume or are the beta blockers addling your brain?

So we note from Company registration that it registered in exactly the same way as being suggested by UKIP's NEC.

Correct it would seem - the difference being that the directors registered the company, the details are available and they did so long before any effort to promote or use it. They have not imposed it on ANYONE it is there for THEM. Should others wish to collude in their actions you will find the details are available in advance.

EUkip on the other hand have decided to INTRODUCE a company with limitations to a so called political party. They have done this seeking a mandate from a so called membership well aware that most haven't a clue how corrupt the NEC & leaddership are and failing to provide the facts oon which to vote.

Your contention BFM is crass, shows a total lack of moral or ethical thought and could be seen to be colluding in what may transpire to be a criminal act.

So we see the hypocrisy of the NO letter when 2 of those who signed it, are happy with the same thing in their new company.

Fortunately those with a deductive ability will be all too aware that your conflation is pure dishonesty.

I think that says it all.

Would that it did! But I fear you will turn up again sooner than anyone would wish with yet more unmittigated and unsubstantiated drivel - to do that on a serial basis when you know you have been proven wrong and can reasonably be expected to be proven wrong is an unethical and dishonest action - do pray keep silent.

Good luck on the meeting I hope you won't be too lonely talking to yourselves.

This is a public meeting that has been widely advertised with diverse speakers - NOT a Swindon Branch meeting aiming to dishonestly mislead what few members attend!

Regards,
Greg L-W.

Junius said...

Greg, Bob FM is a fool, a Farage sock puppet and a liar.

His stupidity got him banned from the Democracy Forum.

His lies for the leadership clearly illustrates his dishonesty.

He is also too cowardly to attend the Swindon meeting and is now looking for excuses as to why he can't go.

His pathetic attacks on Dr Edmond are without any foundation. His attacks on you are inept. At least you are trying to clean up UKIP. Bob on the other hand is happy to turn a blind eye to dishonesty and corruption.

Bob Feal-martinez said...

Eric do you do yourself or your personal favours by allowing the anonymous junius and the self confessed criminal GLW to post on your blog. Their attempts at defending you clearly make the situation worse.

GLW makes great claims but never provides an ounce of proof. The meeting was widely circulated, and yet aside from a reference to his own blog on google 3 days ago and junius rather belatedly posting the agenda nothing else was evidence. I also note that GLW seems to mastered the art of 'rigging' his blog timings. Quite how I have no idea.

The fact remains that the meeting will denigrate into a bash UKIP meeting, and if as I've heard some unsavoury friends of GLW turn up, it could denigrate into much worse.

But rest assured I will hear about it from a reliable source and will happily post the truth.

Junius, if I thought the meeting was to have anything constructive to say, then I would have considered attending, having said that, as a self employed publican, I cannot just down tools and go. The lack of transparency is clear for all to see.

Greg L-W. said...

Hi,

Bob FM AGAIN makes a fool of himself:

Eric do you do yourself or your personal favours by allowing the anonymous junius and the self confessed criminal GLW to post on your blog.

I wonder what this would have said in English!

Of course I am self confessed there is absolutely no shame or intent in the technical offence I was charged with. For an ex police chappie you are a bit of an idiot I'm surprised they didn't keep you on.

For the record 29 years ago when I returned to Britain from Africa the packers packed my girlfriend's firearm and 50 rounds of ammo - When this came to light I accepted the responsibility as although the offence was merely technical and no crime was intended she as an American might have had greater problems - Yes that is the extent of the criminal record I have never cponcealed.

As an ex Police officer your constant repetition of this non even does show you to be a rather revolting individual doesn't it - endlessly trying to imply something that you know isn't of consequence!

Their attempts at defending you clearly make the situation worse.

In what way does Dr. Edmond have a bad situation in trying to clean up the septic tank that is EUkip and call to account the liars and cheats who are running it?

GLW makes great claims but never provides an ounce of proof.

Like a small child you put your hands over your eyes and pretend that since you can't see it does not exist.

I have offered to show you documentary proof yet you refuse to view it and then claim I am a liar.

I have repeatedly offered to attend any reasonable meeting and am willing to be cross examined on any point anyone may care to raise.

Were one fact on my blog substantially at fault you can be assured that EUkip would seek to make the maximum of legal consequences - yet since they can not they use usefull idiots like you to spin lies and dishonesty about me.

Your stunning stupidity and gullible idiocy in covering up for crime is astonishing!

The meeting was widely circulated, and yet aside from a reference to his own blog on google 3 days ago and junius rather belatedly posting the agenda nothing else was evidence.

Do you perchance mean evident? May I ask how come I have known of it in outline since the catastrophic EUkip conference last year and have watched as details came together.

That no one told you is understandable - EUkip must be relieved you only just found our or you would have been damaging their name (were that possible) for even longer. That you didn't know this was taking place in your little town and you didn't know speaks volumes!

The details were on my blog and others such as Zimbio from the 24-Jan- 2009, that you were not told about it is a measure of your contacts.

I also note that GLW seems to mastered the art of 'rigging' his blog timings. Quite how I have no idea.

An interesting accusation have you any proof or reason to believe that?

The fact remains that the meeting will denigrate into a bash UKIP meeting,

Perchance did you mean degenerate? It is hardly likely that it would degenerate into a bash UKIP meeting as I would hazard a guess that at least 80 of those present will be dedicated UKIP supporters desperately sad and many very angree at the betrayal of UKIP and its hijack and conversion to EUkip.

and if as I've heard some unsavoury friends of GLW turn up, it could denigrate into much worse.

Another dishonest attempt to smear based on absolutely no fact and I note you lack even the integrity to put names to your fantasies.

The BFM makes Mrs. Malaprop look like a veritable thesaurus!

But rest assured I will hear about it from a reliable source and will happily post the truth.

Well that will very likely be a first for you won't it?

Junius, if I thought the meeting was to have anything constructive to say, then I would have considered attending,

I doubt anyone knows what the outcome of the meeting will be - as Bruce Lawson is untrustworthy and I have a very low opinion of his probity, judgement or integrity and poor old Geoffrey Kingscott keeps promising to retire and has proved both weak and venal in the past I hold out little hope.

The main hope is that Dr. Edmond Robin Page, John West and other long term supporters of UKIP will perhaps note someone with leadership skills.

Del Young may prove of help although too stupid to produce a CV and be more open which has destroyed his true credibility, as I told him years ago, he is fundamentally sound nowadays one is justified in 'Thinking' but without occupation details and a full CV he will never achieve anything of consequence and clearly no one dare trust him with office of consequence.

BUT I am sure he can make a sizeable contribution if a leader emerges.

having said that, as a self employed publican, I cannot just down tools and go. The lack of transparency is clear for all to see.

I agree but am surprised you admit it - other than usefull idiot I can not for the life of me see why you so enthusiasticly defend corruption, dishonesty, bullying & lies - the lack of transparency is all too apparent but I am surprised you admit it.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

Bob Feal-martinez said...

I defend the truth. When you or anyone posts anything to prove your endlessly repeated claims, then I may change my view but nothing you have predicted so far has happened. Wise not charged, Titford not charged, no crimes proved. It's all hot air GLW and you are the biggest windbag of all.

So neither you, junius or your puppet friend Niall attended this momentous day for UKIP, now there's a surprise.