Wednesday 23 January 2013

Cameron's long awaited speech

Well its happened at last. It left many questions unanswered. We are to have an in/out referendum if Dave's Tories win the 2015 election (unlikely) and if Dave can repatriate powers from Brussels (very unlikely) and if the Tory Europhiles dont dish the Bill. So the chance of a referendum is as I wrote before is vanishingly small.

Red Ed has given Dave what he wants by saying Labour if elected will not hold an in/out referendum so Dave can proceed into the next General Election saying we will give you a referendum and LibLab won't. I think this a big mistake by Red Ed. He is in a competitive market for votes and has just handed Dave a big competitive advantage. Labour,  are now trying to backtrack on this. I am not surprised.

The speech was delivered at Bloomberg offices in Finsbury Square in their lecture theatre. I have sat there and listened to numerous financial talks. It holds something like 200 people, small for such an important speech.

Eukip's Nuttall was wheeled out on Daily Politics to spend most of his time listening to Shaps and Flint avoiding answering A Neil's questions. Nuttall said little other than to make the partisan point Dave's referendum was because he was running scared of UKIP. Not quite, its the electorate who are fed up with the EU. UKIP is only jumping on this bandwagon. Nuttall and Farage clearly had no answer to whats the point of UKIP now. Quite. Dave has tried to shoot EUKIP's fox. Farage looked rattled.

This one will run and run. I don't care who gets us out of EU control, as long as we get out.

Cameron has a credibility problem following his cast iron performance on the Lisbon Treaty. People, not least many Tory MPs , trust Cameron. They see him as little different from his LibDem chums.

Dave's other problem is the old one, its not the enemies in front of you that do you real damage, ie Red Ed, but the ones behind you Ken Clarke, Nick, Hezza etc. The devil as always is in the detail which will now start to trickle out.

9 comments:

Steve Harness said...

So do you think the if/in/out referendum pledge would have been given if the work doen by yourself, UKIP, Richard North, the Peoples Pledge and the odd eurosceptic MP did not exist?

Mike Bridgeman said...

Past and present Ukip members have made a huge contribution to this, even if it actually means nothing.
It is no longer the elephant in the room.
A speech means nothing if you don't trust the speaker.
My concern is that the Ukip pressure group will stay just as it is and cosy up to the Conservatives at some time instead of trying to be a real political party-independent.

Eric Edmond said...

Steve & Mike

Off course Cameron had to do something to stop Tory support haemorhhaging to UKIP. It was only a question of when and how. EUKIP seemed badly prepared for this obvious development but knowing Farage are we surprised? The story is he wanted to go to the red benches and have a Cabinet seat! Laughable, but it fits into your cosy Tory pressure group scenario.

Our best ally in our fight to leave the EU is the EU itself. There will be more of their dirigiste policies which will further alienate the UK electorate.

Its time to start picking at the Europhile claims; the 3 million UK jobs that will go if we dare leave the EU, the millions of British pensioners that will have to return from Spain, the 50% of our trade is with the EU etc. Its hard detail over the next couple of years that will unpick these lies.

Politicians are disliked and disbelieved by the electorate. Its vital to keep EUKIP clean in the eyes of the electorate. Do you think that will happen under Farage?

As my granny would have said, 'The day of Cameron's in/out referendum will never see a morn'

Mike Bridgeman said...

Eric, thank you.
I try and look beyond all this.
At some time we will leave the EU one way or the other.
The problem is as soon as that happens there will be forces at work both here and in the Franco-German alliance quietly working to begin the next stage on behalf of big business, not only here but also in the interests of the USA. Domination and control is all.
Ukip does the nation a dis-service in being a half way political party as the nation will need a defender of sovereignty and self-governance for generations to come.
It is obvious that Lib Lab Con have no wish for this, certainly at the moment, and a Ukip or whatever follows Ukip needs to be the nations salvation and defender.
By all means have your MEPs at the moment and give people something to hope for but a party intent on winning elections at home with the organisation and, above all, desire to achieve just that, is not even in sight.

Steve Harness said...

From somewhere there needs to be a rallying call to brind together the eurosceptic factions into a coherent campaign. I will campaign alongside UKIP because I see no other way. I also do this with the confidence I gain from the iintelligent observations of Eric, Richard and Tim Congdon. Tim has gone out of his way to answer the issues that Mike Bridgeman raises. The time for egos has gone.

Eric Edmond said...

I certainly hope we will leavr the UK in my lifetime. Spanish youth unemployment was up today to 55% so if you want your children to be unemployed with no future just stay in the EU

Mike Bridgeman said...

I have not been a member of a political party for over 2 years and if Steve would be kind enough to elaborate on Mr. Congdon's position, which I am not familiar with, I would be grateful.

Eric Edmond said...

Mike,

Tim Congdon supports UKIP financially and Farage. He is a decent economist with all the usual economist failings.

Eric

Eric Edmond said...

Mike,

Tim Congdon supports UKIP financially and Farage. He is a decent economist with all the usual economist failings.

Eric