Saturday, 20 January 2018

Don't ask, don't get

Sounds simple but the Rolls Royce minds of the FCO cannot implement this simple negotiating principle. As a result the French are running rings round DD as they previously did with DC and his fake negotiation. Negotiation is quite easy. You decide what you want and ask for it.

The media phrase that I detest most is the EU hold most of the cards. They don't but if we are not prepared to play the strong cards we have the EU will walk all over us. The EU despite their crocodile tears are trying to wreck our country. We must respond robustly to these bullies.

The cards we do hold are the amount of EU goods we import, our intelligence capability, our financial services  which are not just in the City of London and our incorruptible common law that predates the Norman conquest and Bayeux tapestry and goes back to Saxon courts.  The corrupt. ECJ system is highly politicised and distrusted outside the EU. It is the integrity of our legal system that explains the success of our financial services. It is the political  corruption of the ECJ that explains the relative failure of EU financial services. Our Universities are outstanding in all fields and can compete with the best US institutions.

The English language is a double edged sword . As long as we are in the EU the mid Europeans can unite to hate us as freedom parties in British colonies did. As soon as the Brits left they started squabbling with each other. There will be a similar fall out amongst the mid Europeans when we leave. Who will make up the EU budget short?

We should leave under WTO rules on 29th March. By all means have an implementation period but the so transition period is just a big business ploy to keep us in the EU aided by Brussels to keep a hold of our money as long as possible


Niall Warry said...

How do Non-tariff barriers fit into your calculations?

Eric Edmond said...

Free trade in services

Anonymous said...

Dr Edmond - I couldn't agree more. I thought I heard JRM recently talking about PM May and an ‘implementation’ period but all I hear elsewhere is about a ‘transition’ period not to mention an extension even to that already meaning I fear IN for ever and a day. Do they not know the difference and or are they trying to con us? The old adage ‘never trust a Tory‘ comes to mind. Just what has this country come to?

Not to mention losing our MEP’s around April 2019 thereby having less or no say in proceedings but pay and obey whatever.

Niall Warry said...

It appears far too may people don't understand that any kind of trade deal comes with rules, regulations,obligations, costs and an adjudication process.

Mrs 'incompetent'May is heading for a 'pay no say deal' when remaining in the EEA via Efta would have seen us leaving all the EU's politics but maintaining our trade with the other EU 27 and at last being able to control F of M and would leave us free to complete trade deals with other countries.

Only government ignorance,incompetence and arrogance prevents them seeing this Win Win interim solution.

Stephen Harness said...

I have much sympathy with you Niall. However David Cameron rubbished the EEA/EFTA membership, perhaps out of ignorance and perhaps by design. David Cameron also set the bar by saying we leave the EU,leave the Single Market and leave the Customs Union. In fact leaving the EU does probably mean we do these things as a consequence of leaving. A negotiated agreement is for the crystal ball and the option of WTO is always there. Sadly the referendum was so poor that this option was never scrutinized.
David Cameron resigned, Theresa May was appointed but failed to be elected by the people in a general election. Hardly a sound negotiating position, one false move and we have Jeremy Corbyn as PM and I suspect EU membership forever.
JRM has accepted the idea of an implementation period but not a transition period. A transition period would be unacceptable.
Macron is the president of France and wants our financial sector. However he admits the French electorate would vote to leave the EU in a referendum. Time for a strong nerve and a Churchill, but I suspect Churchill would keep France close to his chest.

Niall Warry said...

SH I agree with your summary of why we are were we are but disagree that the WTO option is a realistic alternative because all the WTO does is give a set of guideline for a negotiated trade deal and that would take years to complete.

Pushing for Efta/EEA is still worth the effort as nothing is agreed until everything is agreed!

Eric Edmond said...

Rees Mogg was always in favour, as I am, of an implementation period if necessary

Stephen Harness said...

Sir James Dyson says walk away. His analysis and experience of negotiating with the EU is that you cannot win. He points out how strong our position is and that they will come to us. If an engineer, entrepreneur business man can think this way, it will do for me.

L fairfax said...

I would add that if they are going to be really nasty, don't count on us to ever defend them against Putin.

Kevin Renson said...

Don't worry about the Brexit process, there's always Ukip to sort it out LMAO

Niall Warry said...

Implementation will be Transition so get used to it!

Dyson may be a great engineer but he knows little about how global trade really works. This from a man who I believe moved large chunks of his businesses to the Far East.

Stephen Harness said...

Yes Sir James did move manufacturing abroad. However he did say that in the UK nobody was even manufacturing something as basic as a three pin plug. He also made a passionate plea for more people to graduate with a physics degree from UK universities. I believe he made the comparison of 15,000 graduating with a psychology degree compared to 3,000 with a physics degree in the UK. Sir James has also kept the research facility here. There also needs to be a government policy to re balance the economy towards manufacturing. We have wasted North Sea Oil and Gas receipts and dodgy money from the city. Now we have to pay our way.
Great minds such as Peter Shore predicted that EU membership would destroy UK manufacturing and how right he was.
Sir James uses his experience negotiating with the EU to make his judgement on actually negotiating with the EU for a Brexit trade deal.