Thursday 16 August 2018

We survived our first Brexit we can do it again

This from the trendy vicar, Giles Fraser

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/08/14/english-reformation-first-brexit-survived-break-europe-do/

I have written about this a couple of times before but it is nice to have a man of God, all be it a BBC luvvy,  supporting my views.

His point on how the C of E maintained regulatory alignment with the Church of Rome after the reformation is a good one  An episcopal church with its deferential hierarchy is much easier for the establishment to control. The political problems arise when senior church persons actually believe in God.

We could push the history a bit further after Henry VIII came the protestant believer Edward VI and then the catholic reactionary and bloodthirsty zealot Mary Tudor. Eventually they got their Mrs May appeaser Elizabeth I.who could never rest easy until the heir recognised by Europe, Mary Stuart  was dead. Similarly we are going to have to eventually exterminate the EU before we can be sure of our Brexit.

11 comments:

NFYeah said...

Big jugs.

Niall Warry said...

This man's knowledgfe of how the EU and world trade works is poor.

Eric Edmond said...

The EU is a political project, trade takes second place by a long wayin Brussels.

Niall Warry said...

I think it is both a political and trading project as in the Single Market, which we would be mad to leave, they have created the largest, most sophisticated and successful trading block in the world.

Eric Edmond said...

The EU It is a political project. The US market is vastly bigger and more integrated than the EU is or ever will be. You don't know what you are talking about.

Niall Warry said...

Nor do you as I specifically said TRADING BLOCK.

Anyhow having said that this is off the internet:-

The EU is the largest economy in the world. Although growth is projected to be slow, the EU remains the largest economy in the world with a GDP per head of €25 000 for its 500 million consumers. The EU is the world's largest trading block. The EU is the world's largest trader of manufactured goods and services.

Eric Edmond said...

Source?

Niall Warry said...

Tomato :-)))

Just google this:-

What is the largest trading block in the world?

rapscallion said...

Niall Warry. Size is not indicator of performance, if it were Russia and Canada would be the most successful economies and they aren't. So this "Trading Bloc" malarky is utterly irrelevant. Singapore and Switzerland on the other hand are hugely successful, but strangely neither of them are in the EU either.

I have grave doubts about you. You are/were a UKIP member who doesn't want to leave the EU.

Niall Warry said...

The trouble is Eric I believe you are stuck a time warp,it might be an age thing or too may trips to France and their wines, but you haven't kept yourself up to date on exactly what Brexit actually entails.

Let me be quite clear I DO WANT TO LEAVE THE EU but that is not the same thing as putting into jeapardy any of our £260 billion worth of trade with the EU 27. The Leave Alliance (which included Edward Spalton of CIB) of which I was apart was very clear that the Efta/EEA deal, we supported, was ONLY ever an interim deal until something better could be worked out involving the 50 countries of Europe under UNECE based in Geneva

On the 29th March next year we will leave the EU's politics with no more Euro elections, MEPs etc. Our existing trade is of a different order.

Let me ask you a very simple question - After Brexit day next year do you want to trade in the same quantity and quality of goods AND sevices this country CURRENTLY trades with the EU 27??

If you answer is yes then we have to do a deal and all trade deals of any substance or worth require obeying rules, regulations, agreeing to a disputes process and paying all the necessary associated costs of setting it up.

What part of what I've said don't you undestand?

NFYeah said...

Humungous melons