This is from the Washington Post and explains a great deal about how Russians feel about their Great Patriotic War. Russia is a great country and defeated the German Panzer Army in WWII. They were our allies then and in WWI. German allies in WWI? Turkey. Which country does Merkel want in the EU? Turkey! PLUS CA CHANGE PLUS C'EST LA MEME CHOSE.
We should be grateful to the Russians now and in Syria. They have done our dirty work then and now.
Crowds watch a rehearsal of Moscow's Victory Parade on May 5. (Max Avdeev/For The Washington Post)
MOSCOW — To most Americans, the anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany slips by unnoticed. To Pavel Elfimov, it’s among the biggest holidays of the year.
Ask any Russian about their family’s World War II experiences and the answer, almost invariably, is one of suffering and battlefield service. Unlike the United States, which had two oceans that largely insulated it from attack after Pearl Harbor, Russia was besieged, bombed, invaded and re-invaded during World War II. Then the Red Army swept toward Berlin and played a key role in toppling Adolf Hitler.
“You have Thanksgiving. We have Victory Day,” said Elfimov, 44, who came with his family this week to a nighttime rehearsal for Moscow’s annual Victory Day Parade. The procession is a bristling display of military might that sweeps down some of the capital’s most exclusive streets before rolling through Red Square in front of the Kremlin elite.
Russian President Vladimir Putin revived the Soviet-style tank parade in 2008, seeing the day as a way to rally citizens around the flag. But despite the hundreds of missile launchers, warplanes and antiaircraft guns that roll through Red Square every year, many Russians say that the true meaning of the holiday is more personal, 71 years after the end of the war.
“In Russia there are very few families who weren’t touched by it,” said Elfimov, who added that both of his grandfathers fought in the war and that one of them died shortly afterward, his resilience destroyed by combat.
From left to right: Alesya Dorovskikh, 37, her brother and airborne soldier Nikolai Dorovskikh, 22, and Alesya's brother-in-law Pavel Elfimov, 44. (Max Avdeev/For The Washington Post)
Of more than two dozen people approached at the rehearsal, all had a parent, grandparent or great-grandparent who fought in the war. Most said at least one direct ancestor died in the fighting. Soviet losses were immense — most historians estimate the Soviet death toll between 27 million and 28 million people — and the oldest generation of Russians still has aching memories of wartime starvation.
“It was impossible,” said Irina Kravchenko, 60, who said that 300 of the 500 people living in her small town in the Ural Mountains at the time of the war headed off to combat. Her grandfather never came home from the fighting, she said, a memory she wanted to make sure she passed down to her grandchild, who along with her daughter-in-law was watching soldiers on antiaircraft missile systems prepare for the parade.
Irina Kravchenko, 60. (Max Avdeev/For The Washington Post)
“The memory of service was so tough. There was an inner strength,” Kravchenko said about the townspeople who returned from war. “They didn’t like to talk about their experiences.”
World War II tends to be remembered in the United States as a victory by Americans, with the Red Army acting more or less as an adjunct. Russian memories are focused on their own sacrifices. As the veterans have died, their children and grandchildren have started to march on Victory Day, holding their photos, separately from the martial parades. That started as a nonpolitical movement in 2012, and has since been embraced by the Kremlin.
Critics of Putin’s Victory Day celebrations say that he has turned the anniversary into a politicized event that serves the state more than the memories of the people who suffered in the war. Veterans once gathered to drink on the holiday and remember fallen comrades. Now the main focus is on the military parades, which this year will feature advanced warplanes streaking over the Kremlin as intercontinental ballistic missiles plod through Red Square. Fascism, too, has taken on new meanings, with the term routinely lobbed by the Kremlin at Ukraine’s new leaders. Commemorating the World War II victory burnishes Putin’s efforts to garner domestic support for tough policies toward his neighbor.
Crowds watch Moscow's Victory Parade rehearsal. (Max Avdeev/For The Washington Post)
And few history textbooks take a critical view of Stalin’s performance during the conflict, known here as the Great Patriotic War. Largely forgotten is the 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact between the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany that allied Joseph Stalin with Hitler before Germany launched a surprise attack in 1941. The suffering Stalin inflicted on his own people, along with the pain the Red Army inflicted on Eastern Europe as it fought its way toward Berlin, goes unmentioned.
But some people who turned to Moscow’s streets to honor their ancestors sought to distance the martial parade from any modern military meaning.
“It’s two separate stories,” said Nadezhda Sklyar, 27, whose 4-year-old son, Sebastian, was asking soldiers questions about their military equipment as he waited for them to start their rehearsal. “My grandfather served. He was gravely wounded in Leningrad. My other grandfather was a Belarusan partisan,” she said.
Nadezhda Sklyar, 27, and her son Sebastian, 4. (Max Avdeev/For The Washington Post)
“I grew up with this,” she said. “I hope my son has these memories, too.”
“To him, it’s interesting, these tanks,” Sklyar said of her son. “Thank God they’re not used now. I’m worried about war,” she said. However, any conflict between Russia and the West would be nuclear, so the hardware in the parade would be of little relevance, she said.
Many soldiers who are on active duty look to their families’ war histories as inspiration.
“Everyone in my family has served,” said Ivan Medvedev, 23, an enlisted soldier in an airborne battalion who was drinking a cup of coffee with his fiancée while waiting for the parade rehearsal to start.
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Airborne soldier Ivan Medvedev, 23, and his fiancée, Darya, 20. (Max Avdeev/For The Washington Post)
Medvedev’s great-grandfather served in the Soviet navy, he said. His great-grandmother was a nurse. His father fought in Afghanistan, and his brother was in Chechnya. Medvedev said that he is posted in Moscow for now — and with his wedding coming up, he didn’t seem eager to leave.
Medvedev said he was happy to be able to mark the anniversary on behalf of the members of his family who had fought in war, but he was mindful that World War II was sometimes about sacrifice more than glory.
“My great-grandfather served in the fleet,” Medvedev said. “It was really hard for him to talk about it.”
I bet they don't mention that a) they fought on Hitler's side for 2 years b) they only got invaded because their troops did so badly in Finland that Hitler thought they would be a pushover.
As they killed thousands of our allies who should have been fighting for us, I hope they don't expect us to be grateful for their help https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre
Yes indeed Mr Fairfax. The Katyn massacre featured on the Enigma film with Winslett.
The mid Europeans have been killing each other for hundreds of years which is a very good reason for staying out of the EU.
Its all a matter of scale. Bad things were done by both sides. I did think Churchill wanted Joe Stalin in so he thought he would stay silent on 22000 or so dead Poles to achieve this. The Russians lost 30 million people in WWII. He also sent thousands of Ukrainians back to be shot on the quayside at Odessa to keep Stalin onside.
How many guys did Churchill get killed at Gallipoli? How many died in Coventry by his decision not to evacuate the city to protect the Enigma secret. That cost 550 Brit lives.
The big fact is Russia won the war in Europe against the Germans and coming up to date they will be our allies against Merkel and her cheese eating allies if we let them. Putin has done far more to sort out Syria than the EU ever will. He is a very nasty man but is he any worse than Erdogan the Turk, Germany's old ally and solution to their current migrant problem.
Robin Cook used to prattle on about a UK ethical foreign policy. There is no such thing, its a Guardianista fiction.
Gallipoli was a disaster and Katyn was a massacre. You cannot compare a mistake with murder. In wars risks have to be taken. Sometimes e.g. D Day they pay off, sometimes they don't.
I think Churchill himself said that a war is won by the side making the fewest mistakes. Hitler certainly made shopping trolley of mistakes and I assume Churchill was owning up to his mistakes.
Mr Fairfax the Odessa massacre of Ukrainians was just that and Churchill facilitated it.
Sadly its a numbers game and realpolitik. You have to deal with nasty people who have done bad things. You can't pick and choose just hold your nose and do your best. In Harold Wilson's dictum, be pragmatic.
@"Mr Fairfax the Odessa massacre of Ukrainians was just that and Churchill facilitated it. " We were talking about Galliopoli - do you concede that it cannot be compared to the Katyn massacre.
@"Sadly its a numbers game and realpolitik. You have to deal with nasty people who have done bad things. You can't pick and choose just hold your nose and do your best. In Harold Wilson's dictum, be pragmatic." True