https://www.parliament.uk/get-involved/elections/referendums-held-in-the-uk/
I quote below from this report
Previous referendums in the UK
- 8 March 1973: Northern Ireland – Northern Ireland sovereignty referendum on whether Northern Ireland should remain part of the United Kingdom or join the Republic of Ireland (yes to remaining part of the UK)
- 5 June 1975: UK – Membership of the European Community referendum on whether the UK should stay in the European Community (yes)
- 1 March 1979: Scotland – Scottish devolution referendum on whether there should be a Scottish Assembly (40 per cent of the electorate had to vote yes in the referendum, although a small majority voted yes this was short of the 40 per cent threshold required to enact devolution)
- 1 March 1979: Wales – Welsh devolution referendum on whether there should be a Welsh Assembly (no)
- 11 September 1997: Scotland – Scottish devolution referendums on whether there should be a Scottish Parliament and whether the Scottish Parliament should have tax varying powers (both referendums received a yes vote)
- 18 September 1997: Wales – Welsh devolution referendum on whether there should be a National Assembly for Wales (yes)
- 7 May 1998: London – Greater London Authority referendum on whether there should be a Mayor of London and Greater London Authority (yes)
- 22 May 1998: Northern Ireland – Northern Ireland Belfast Agreement referendum on the Good Friday Agreement (yes)
- 3 March 2011: Wales - Welsh devolution referendum on whether the National Assembly for Wales should gain the power to legislate on a wider range of matters (yes)
- 5 May 2011: UK – referendum on whether to change the voting system for electing MPs to the House of Commons from first past the post to the alternative vote (no, first past the post will continue to be used to elect MPs to the House of Commons)
- 18 September 2014: Scotland – referendum on whether Scotland should become an independent country (no, the electorate voted 55 per cent to 45 per cent in favour of Scotland remaining within the UK.
More interesting and still relevant to us today is how Heath got the second reading of the ECA
taking us into the Common Market.
On 17 February 1972, the House of Commons voted narrowly by 309-301 in favour of the Bill at its second reading, after three days of intense debate.
Now that was a narrow result! but there were no calls then for a peoples vote. Heath had repeatedly dismissed such referendum calls in the run up to 17th Feb vote..
Michael Crick tweeted on 25th Oct
If the Government only gets Withdrawal Deal through Commons with some Labour votes and abstentions, there’s a nice twist. Heath Govt only got 2nd reading vote on Oct 1971 of act to join EEC with 69 Lab votes & 29 Lab abstentions
May is obviously trying to repeat Heath''s trick. Heath was helped by crypto metropolitan elite LibDems Jenkins and Williams while May now has Chuka and his chums also of the London elite.
So why no previous referendum problems? Other than the London mayor vote which clearly benefited the London elite's bank balances the other votes were in places the elite had no financial interest in, Wales, NI and Scotland
The 1972 Hansard division list is below
The House divided: Ayes 309, Noes 301.
755| Division No. 59.] | AYES | [10.0 p.m. |
| Adley, Robert | Dixon, Piers, | Howe, Hn. Sir Geoffrey (Reigate) |
| Alison, Michael (Barkston Ash) | Dodds-Parker, Douglas | Howell, David (Guildford) |
| Allason, James (Hemel Hempstead) | Douglas-Home, Rt. Hn. Sir Alec | Howell, Ralph (Norfolk, N.) |
| Amery, Rt. Hn. Julian | Drayson, G. B. | Hunt, John |
| Archer, Jeffrey (Louth) | du Cann, Rt. Hn. Edward | Iremonger, T. L. |
| Astor, John | Dykes, Hugh | Irvine, Bryant Godman (Rye) |
| Atkins, Humphrey | Eden, Sir John | James, David |
| Awdry, Daniel | Edwards, Nicholas (Pembroke) | Jenkin, Patrick (Woodford) |
| Baker, Kenneth (St. Marylebone) | Elliot, Capt. Walter (Carshalton) | Jessel, Toby |
| Baker, W. H. K. (Banff) | Elliott, R. W. (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, N.) | Johnson Smith, G. (E. Grinstead) |
| Balniel, Rt. Hn. Lord | Emery, Peter | Johnston, Russell (Inverness) |
| Barber, Rt. Hn. Anthony | Farr, John | Jones, Arthur (Northants, S.) |
| Batsford, Brian | Fenner, Mrs. Peggy | Jopling, Michael |
| Beamish, Col. Sir Tufton | Fidler, Michael | Joseph, Rt. Hn. Sir Keith |
| Bennett, Sir Frederic (Torquay) | Finsberg, Geoffrey (Hampstead) | Kaberry, Sir Donald |
| Bennett, Dr. Reginald (Gosport) | Fisher, Nigel (Surbiton) | Kellett-Bowman, Mrs. Elaine |
| Benyon, W. | Fletcher-Cooke, Charles | Kershaw, Anthony |
| Berry, Hn. Anthony | Fookes, Miss Janet | Kimball, Marcus |
| Biggs-Davison, John | Fortescue, Tim | King, Evelyn (Dorset, S.) |
| Blaker, Peter | Foster, Sir John | King, Tom (Bridgwater) |
| Boardman, Tom (Leicester, S.W.) | Fowler, Norman | Kinsey, J. R. |
| Boscawen, Robert | Fox, Marcus | Kirk, Peter |
| Bossom, Sir Clive | Fry, Peter | Kitson, Timothy |
| Bowden, Andrew | Galbraith, Hn. T. G. | Knight, Mrs. Jill |
| Boyd-Carpenter, Rt. Hn. John | Gardner, Edward | Knox, David |
| Braine, Sir Bernard | Gibson-Watt, David | Lambton, Lord |
| Bray, Ronald | Gilmour, Ian (Norfolk, C.) | Lane, David |
| Brewis, John | Gilmour, Sir John (Fife, E.) | Langford-Holt, Sir John |
| Brinton, Sir Tatton | Glyn, Dr. Alan | Legge-Bourke, Sir Harry |
| Brocklebank-Fowler, Christopher | Godber, Rt. Hn. J. B. | Le Marchant, Spencer |
| Brown, Sir Edward (Bath) | Goodhart, Philip | Lewis, Kenneth (Rutland) |
| Bruce-Gardyne, J. | Goodhew, Victor | Lloyd, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey (Sut 'nC' dfield) |
| Bryan, Paul | Gorst, John | Lloyd, Ian (P'tsm'th, Langstone) |
| Buchanan-Smith, Alick (Angus, N&M) | Gower, Raymond | Longden, Sir Gilbert |
| Buck, Antony | Grant, Anthony (Harrow, C.) | Loveridge, John |
| Bullus, Sir Eric | Gray, Hamish | Luce, R. N. |
| Burden, F. A. | Green, Alan | McAdden, Sir Stephen |
| Butler, Adam (Bosworth) | Grieve, Percy | MacArthur, Ian |
| Campbell, Rt. Hn. G. (Moray & Nairn) | Griffiths, Eldon (Bury St. Edmunds) | McCrindle, R. A. |
| Carlisle, Mark | Grimond, Rt. Hn. J. | McLaren, Martin |
| Carr, Rt. Hn. Robert | Grylls, Michael | Maclean, Sir Fitzroy |
| Cary, Sir Robert | Gummer, J. Selwyn | McMaster, Stanley |
| Channon, Paul | Gurden, Harold | Macmillan, Rt. Hn. Maurice (Farnham) |
| Chapman, Sydney | Hall, Miss Joan (Keighley) | McNair-Wilson, Michael |
| Chataway, Rt. Hn. Christopher | Hall, John (Wycombe) | McNair-Wilson, Patrick (New Forest) |
| Chichester-Clark, R. | Hall-Davis, A. G. F. | Maddan, Martin |
| Churchill, W. S. | Hamilton, Michael (Salisbury) | Madel, David |
| Clark, William (Surrey, E.) | Hannam, John (Exeter) | Marples, Rt. Hn. Ernest |
| Clarke, Kenneth (Rushcliffe) | Harrison, Brian (Maldon) | Mather, Carol |
| Clegg, Walter | Harrison, Col. Sir Harwood (Eye) | Maudling, Rt. Hn. Reginald |
| Cockeram, Eric | Haselhurst, Alan | Mawby, Ray |
| Cooke, Robert | Hastings, Stephen | Maxwell-Hyslop, R. J. |
| Coombs, Derek | Havers, Michael | Meyer, Sir Anthony |
| Cooper, A. E. | Hawkins, Paul | Mills, Peter (Torrington) |
| Cordle, John | Hay, John | Mills, Stratton (Belfast, N.) |
| Corfield, Rt. Hn. Frederick | Hayhoe, Barney | Miscampbell, Norman |
| Cormack, Patrick | Heath, Rt. Hn. Edward | Mitchell, Lt-Col. C. (Aberdeenshire, W.) |
| Costain, A. P. | Heseltine, Michael | Mitchell, David (Basingstoke) |
| Critchley, Julian | Hicks, Robert | Money, Ernie |
| Crouch, David | Higgins, Terence L. | Monks, Mrs. Connie |
| Crowder, F. P. | Hiley, Joseph | Monro, Hector |
| Curran, Charles | Hill, John E. B. (Norfolk, S.) | Montgomery, Fergus |
| Dalkeith, Earl of | Hill, James (Southampton, Test) | More, Jasper |
| Davies, Rt. Hn. John (Knutsford) | Holland, Philip | Morgan, Geraint (Denbigh) |
| d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Sir Henry | Holt, Miss Mary | Morgan-Giles, Rear-Adm. |
| d'Avigdor-Goldsmid, Maj. -Gen. James | Morrison, Charles | |
| Dean, Paul | Hordern, Peter | Murton, Oscar |
| Deedes, Rt. Hn. W. F. | Hornby, Richard | Neave, Airey |
| Digby, Simon Wingfield | Hornsby-Smith, Rt. Hn. Dame Patricia | Noble, Rt. Hn. Michael |
| Normanton, Tom | Rossi, Hugh (Hornsey) | Thomas, John Stradling (Monmouth) |
| Noll, John | Rost, Peter | Thomas, Rt. Hn. Peter (Hendon, S.) |
| Onslow, Cranley | Royle, Anthony | Thompson, Sir Richard (Croydon, S.) |
| Oppenheim, Mrs. Sally | St. John-Stevas, Norman | Thorpe, Rt. Hn. Jeremy |
| Orr, Capt. L. P. S. | Sandys, Rt. Hn. D. | Tilney, John |
| Osborn, John | Scott, Nicholas | Trafford, Dr. Anthony |
| Owen, Idris (Stockport, N) | Scott-Hopkins, James | Trew, Peter |
| Page, Graham (Crosby) | Sharpies, Richard | Tugendhat, Christopher |
| Page, John (Harrow, W.) | Shaw, Michael (Sc'b'gh & Whitby) | van Straubenzee, W. R. |
| Hardoe, John | Shelton, William (Clapham) | Vaughan, Dr. Gerard |
| Parkinson, Cecil | Simeons, Charles | Vickers, Dame Joan |
| Peel, John | Sinclair, Sir George | Waddington, David |
| Percival, Ian | Skeet, T. H. H. | Walder, David (Clitheroe) |
| Peyton, Rt. Hn. John | Smith, Dudley (W'wick & L'mington) | Walker, Rt. Hn. Peter (Worcester) |
| Pike, Miss Mervyn | Soref, Harold | Wall, Patrick |
| Pink, R. Bonner | Speed, Keith | Walters, Dennis |
| Pounder, Radon | Spence, John | Ward, Dame Irene |
| Price, David (Eastleigh) | Sproat, Iain | Warren, Kenneth |
| Prior, Rt. Hn. J. M. L. | Stainton, Keith | Wells, John (Maidstone) |
| Proudfoot, Wilfred | Stanbrook, Ivor | White, Roger (Gravesend) |
| Pym, Rt. Hn. Francis | Steel, David | Whitelaw, Rt. Hn. William |
| Ouennell, Miss J. M. | Stewart-Smith, Geoffrey (Belper) | Wiggin, Jerry |
| Raison, Timothy | Stodart, Anthony (Edinburgh, W.) | Wilkinson, John |
| Ramsden, Rt. Hn. James | Stoddart-Scott, Col. Sir M. | Winterton, Nicholas |
| Rawlinson, Rt. Hn. Sir Peter | Stokes, John | Wolrige-Gordon, Patrick |
| Redmond, Robert | Stuttaford, Dr. Tom | Wood, Rt. Hn. Richard |
| Reed, Laurance (Bolton, E.) | Sutcliffe, John | Woodhouse, Hn. Christopher |
| Rees, Peter (Dover) | Woodnutt, Mark | |
| Rees-Davies, W. R. | Tapsell, Peter | |
| Renton, Rt. Hn Sir David | Taylor, Sir Charles (Eastbourne) | Worsley, Marcus |
| Rhys Williams, Sir Brandon | Taylor, Edward M. (G'gow, Cathcart) | Wylie, Rt. Hn. N. R. |
| Ridley, Hn. Nicholas | Taylor, Frank (Moss Side) | Younger, Hn. George |
| Ridsdale, Julian | Taylor, Robert (Croydon, N.W.) | |
| Rippon, Rt. Hn. Geoffrey | TELLERS FOR THE AYES: | |
| Roberts, Michael (Cardiff, N.) | Tebbit, Norman | Mr. Reginald Eyre and Mr. Bernard Weatherill. |
| Roberts, Wyn (Conway) | Temple, John M. | |
| Rodgers, Sir John (Sevenoaks) | Thatcher, Rt. Hn. Mrs. Margaret | |
NOES | ||
| Abse, Leo | Cohen, Stanley | Fitch. Alan (Wigan) |
| Albu, Austen | Concannon, J. D. | Fitt, Gerard (Belfast, W.) |
| Allaun, Frank (Salford, E.) | Conlan, Bernard | Fletcher, Raymond (Ilkeston) |
| Allen, Scholefield | Cox, Thomas (Wandsworth, C.) | Fletcher. Ted (Darlington) |
| Archer, Peter (Rowley Regis) | Crawshaw, Richard | Foley, Maurice |
| Armstrong, Ernest | Cronin, John | Foot, Michael |
| Ashley, Jack | Crosland, Rt. Hn. Anthony | Ford, Ben |
| Ashton, Joe | Cunningham, G. (Islington, S.W.) | Forrester, John |
| Atkinson, Norman | Cunningham, Dr. J. A. (Whitehaven) | Fraser, John (Norwood) |
| Bagier, Gordon A. T. | Dalyell, Tam | Freeson, Reginald |
| Barnett, Guy (Greenwich) | Darling, Rt. Hn. George | Galpern, Sir Myer |
| Barnett, Joel (Heywood and Royton) | Davidson, Arthur | Garrett, W. E. |
| Baxter, William | Davies, Denzil (Llanelly) | Gilbert, Dr. John |
| Beaney, Alan | Davies, G. Elfed (Rhondda, E.) | Ginsburg, David (Dewsbury) |
| Bell, Ronald | Davies, Ifor (Gower) | Golding, John |
| Benn, Rt. Hn. Anthony Wedgwood | Davies, S. O. (Merthyr Tydvil) | Gordon Walker, Rt. Hn. P. C. |
| Bennett, James (Glasgow, Bridgeton) | Davis, Clinton (Hackney, C.) | Gourlay, Harry |
| Bidwell, Sydney | Davis, Terry (Bromsgrove) | Grant, George (Morpeth) |
| Biffen, John | Deakins, Eric | Grant, John D. (Islington, E.) |
| Bishop, E. S. | de Freitas, Rt. Hn. Sir Geoffrey | Griffiths, Eddie (Brightside) |
| Blenkinsop, Arthur | Delargy, H. J. | Griffiths, Will (Exchange) |
| Boardman, H. (Leigh) | Dell, Rt. Hn. Edmund | Hamilton, James (Bothwell) |
| Body, Richard | Dempsey, James | Hamilton, William (Fife, W.) |
| Booth, Albert | Devlin, Miss Bernadette | Hamling, William |
| Bottomley, Rt. Hn. Arthur | Doig, Peter | Hannan, William (G'gow, Maryhill) |
| Boyden, James (Bishop Auckland) | Dormand, J. D. | Hardy, Peter |
| Bradley, Tom | Douglas, Dick (Stirlingshire, E.) | Harper, Joseph |
| Broughton, Sir Alfred | Douglas-Mann, Bruce | Harrison, Walter (Wakefield) |
| Brown, Bob (N'c'tle-upon-Tyne, W.) | Driberg, Tom | Hart, Rt. Hn. Judith |
| Brown, Hugh D. (G'gow, Provan) | Duffy, A. E. P. | Hattersley, Roy |
| Brown, Ronald (Shoreditch & F'bury) | Dunn, James A. | Healey, Rt. Hn. Denis |
| Buchan, Norman | Dunnett, Jack | Heffer, Eric S. |
| Buchanan, Richard (G'gow, Sp'burn) | Eadie, Alex | Hilton, W. S. |
| Butler, Mrs. Joyce (Wood Green) | Edelman, Maurice | Hooson, Emlyn |
| Callaghan, Rt. Hn. James | Edwards. Robert (Bilston) | Horam, John |
| Campbell, I. (Dunbartonshire, W.) | Edwards, William (Merioneth) | Houghton, Rt. Hn. Douglas |
| Cant, R. B. | Ellis, Tom | Howell, Denis (Small Heath) |
| Carmichael, Neil | English, Michael | Huckfield, Leslie |
| Carter, Ray (Birmingh'm, Northfield) | Evans, Fred | Hughes, Rt Hn. Cledwyn (Anglesey) |
| Carter-Jones, Lewis (Eccles) | Ewing, Henry | Hughes, Mark (Durham) |
| Castle, Rt. Hn. Barbara | Faulds, Andrew | Hughes, Robert (Aberdeen, N.) |
| Clark, David (Colne Valley) | Fell, Anthony | Hughes, Roy (Newport) |
| Cocks, Michael (Bristol, S.) | Fernyhough. Rt. Hn. E. | Hunter, Adam |
| Fisher, Mrs. Doris (B'ham, Lady wood) | Hutchison, Michael Clark | |
| Irvine, Rt. Hn. Sir Arthur (Edge Hill) | Mellish, Rt. Hn. Robert | Ross, Rt. Hn. William (Kilmarnock) |
| Janner, Greville | Mendelson, John | Sandelson, Neville |
| Jay, Rt. Hn. Douglas | Mikardo, Ian | Sheldon, Robert (Ashton-under-Lyne) |
| Jeger, Mrs. Lena | Millan, Bruce | Shore, Rt. Hn. Peter (Stepney) |
| Jenkins, Hugh (Putney) | Miller, Dr. M. S. | Short, Rt. Hn. Edward (N'c'tle-u-Tyne) |
| Jenkins, Rt. Hn. Roy (Stechford) | Milne, Edward | Short, Mrs. Renée (W'hampton, N.E.) |
| Jennings, J. C. (Burton) | Mitchell, R. C. (S'hampton, Itchen) | Silkin, Rt. Hn. John (Deptford) |
| John, Brynmor | Moate, Roger | Silkin, Hn. S. C. (Dulwich) |
| Johnson, James (K'ston-on-Hull, W.) | Molloy, William | Sillars, James |
| Johnson, Walter (Derby, S.) | Molyneaux, James | Silverman, Julius |
| Jones, Barry (Flint, E.) | Morgan, Elystan (Cardiganshire) | Skinner, Dennis |
| Jones, Dan (Burnley) | Morris, Alfred (Wythenshawe) | Small, William |
| Jones, Rt. Hn. Sir Elwyn (W.Ham, S.) | Morris, Charles R. (Openshaw) | Smith, John (Lanarkshire, N.) |
| Jones, Gwynoro (Carmarthen) | Morris, Rt. Hn. John (Aberavon) | Spearing, Nigel |
| Jones, T. Alec (Rhondda, W.) | Moyle, Roland | Spriggs, Leslie |
| Judd, Frank | Mudd, David | Stallard, A. W. |
| Kaufman, Gerald | Mulley, Rt. Hn. Frederick | Stewart, Donald (Western Isles) |
| Kelley, Richard | Murray, Ronald King | Stewart, Rt. Hn. Michael (Fulham) |
| Kerr, Russell | Nabarro, Sir Gerald | Stoddart, David (Swindon) |
| Kinnock, Nell | Oakes, Gordon | Stonehouse, Rt. Hn. John |
| Lambie, David | Ogden, Eric | Strang, Gavin |
| Lamond, James | O'Halloran, Michael | Strauss, Rt. Hn. G. R. |
| Latham, Arthur | O'Malley. Brian | Summerskill, Hn. Dr. Shirley |
| Leadbitter, Ted | Oram, Bert | Swain, Thomas |
| Lee, Rt. Hn. Frederick | Orbach, Maurice | Taverne, Dick |
| Leonard, Dick | Orme, Stanley | Thomas, Rt. Hn. George(Cardiff, W.) |
| Lestor, Miss Joan | Oswald, Thomas | Thomas, Jeffrey (Abertillery) |
| Lever, Rt. Hn. Harold | Owen, Dr. David (Plymouth, Sutton) | Thomson, Rt. Hn. G. (Dundee, E.) |
| Lewis, Arthur (W. Ham, N.) | Padley, Walter | Tinn, James |
| Lewis, Ron (Carlisle) | Paget, R. T. | Tomney, Frank |
| Lipton, Marcus | Paisley, Rev. Ian | Torney, Tom |
| Lomas, Kenneth | Palmer, Arthur | Tuck, Raphael |
| Loughlin, Charles | Pannell, Rt. Hn. Charles | Turton, Rt. Hn. Sir Robin |
| Lyon, Alexander W. (York) | Parker, John (Dagenham) | Urwin, T. W. |
| Lyons, Edward (Bradford, E.) | Parry, Robert (Liverpool, Exchange) | Varley, Eric G. |
| Mabon, Dr. J. Dickson | Pavitt, Laurie | Wainwright, Edwin |
| McBride, Neil | Peart, Rt. Hn. Fred | Walden, Brian (B'm'ham, All Saints) |
| McCann, John | Pendry, Tom | Walker, Harold (Doncaster) |
| McCartney, Hugh | Pentland, Norman | Walker-Smith, Rt. Hn. Sir Derek |
| McElhone, Frank | Perry, Ernest G. | Wallace, George |
| McGuire, Michael | Powell, Rt. Hn. J. Enoch | Watkins, David |
| Mackenzie, Gregor | Prentice, Rt. Hn. Reg. | Weitzman, David |
| Mackle, John | Prescott, John | Wells, William (Walsall, N.) |
| Mackintosh, John P. | Price, J. T. (Westhoughton) | White, James (Glasgow, Pollok) |
| Maclennan, Robert | Price, William (Rugby) | Whitehead, Phillip |
| McManus, Frank | Probert, Arthur | Whitlock, William |
| McMillan, Tom (Glasgow, C.) | Rankin, John | Willey, Rt. Hn. Frederick |
| McNamara, J. Kevin | Reed, D. (Sedgefield) | Williams, Alan (Swansea, W.) |
| Maginnis, John E. | Rees, Merlyn (Leeds, S.) | Williams, Mrs. Shirley (Hitchin) |
| Mahon, Simon (Bootle) | Rhodes, Geoffrey | Williams, W. T. (Warrington) |
| Mallalieu, J. P. W. (Huddersfield, E.) | Richard, Ivor | Wilson, Alexander (Hamilton) |
| Marks, Kenneth | Roberts, Albert (Normanton) | Wilson, Rt. Hn. Harold (Huyton) |
| Marquand, David | Roberts, Rt. Hn. Goronwy (Caernarvon) | Wilson, William (Coventry, S.) |
| Marsden, F. | Robertson, John (Paisley) | Woof, Robert |
| Marshall, Dr. Edmund | Roderick, Caerwyn E.(Br'c'n & R'dnor) | |
| Marten, Neil | Rodgers, William (Stockton-on-Tees) | TELLERS FOR THE NOES: |
| Mason, Rt. Hn. Roy | Roper, John | Mr. Donald Coleman and Mr. James Wellbeloved. |
| Meacher, Michael | Rose, Paul B. |
§Bill accordingly read a Second time
11 comments:
Nigel Spearing ( Labour) was the last to speak against. He was a remarkable MP and a Christian gentleman who attended our CIB committee meetings, cycling through the London traffic until an age when most people would be staying at home. He loved Parliament as an institution and was generous with his time in helping us to understand its procedures and quirks. If ever a kindly ghost is spotted in the House with bicycle clips, it will be Nigel. Perhaps he will turn up when they definitely take us out. He chaired the European Committee for many years and his impartiality was such that nobody could have guessed his strong views.
He was able to give a video account of his experiences and views which is linked to my recollection of the Seventies " Edward Spalton the Miller's Tale Episode 4" which can be Googled. At this time of this recording, he knew his mind was going but he was crystal clear for this. He told us to tell him when he was too confused to cope with meetings but, of course, we never did. As one of my colleagues said " Nigel's family" .
Heath, of course, lied as usual when he said he would not take us into the EU without the full-hearted consent of the British people. But the manipulation of public opinion had been very thorough with the Foreign Office telling the BBC every day how to report things.
I should also add David Stoddart ( Labour) now Lord Stoddart of Swindon ( independent Labour) who is still taking a keen interest in the matter of our independence. He was Chairman of CIB for 23 years and a very hard act to follow- an unfailing source of encouragement, wisdom and advice.
Because our elite are natural Europhiles only seeing the good in the EU and have little to no time for the views and opinions of the ordinary man and woman in the street.
This is why we need the reforms to our governance as demanded by The Harrogate Agenda.
Again Major Warry shows he has never dealt with the higher echelons of our politicised civil service. Same goes for our armed forces. They look out for their own financial interests and own futures. Cynicism rules OK. Gongs all round. Make mine a big one and my retiral job a well paid sinecure. The nearer to the top the more moral corruption there is. The good honest joes are the bottom.
Esther Rantzen used to have a talking dog on her TV show but it could only say one word, Sausages. The Major's word is Harrogate
I hope you feel better after that outpouring of utter tosh!
No facts from the Major just bs
Coming back to your post at 02:13 I do understand the 'I'll scratch your back if you scratch mine' mentality of the civil service and armed forces - so I actually agree with you. I'm therefore not clear why you immediately sought to denigrate me??
Then to your last post at 14:41 I have given plenty of facts over the months on here and as you know support the Efta/EEA option as the only workable interim solution.
You say you like Boles and support Cox but have as yet NOT explained what Cox's plan actually is??
It would be nice if instead of immediately criticising me you actually dealt with the issues and started by explaining what plan you think will maintain our frictionless trade and much more besides, like road transport, aviation etc, worth at least £270 billion a year to our economy?
My plan always has been is to employ honest competent lucky people. Cox is that.
Well Eric that is indeed a good start and clearly your admiration for Cox is fairly new as I'm not familiar with him.
So I'll have to take your word for him being honest,competent and lucky but I do think all those things will not be enough with only five months to go so I'd hope you could explain what his plan is?
Finally of course, even if he has a winnerable plan, and I'll hold judgement until I see what it is, he is not involved in the negotiations so he cannot much from the sidelines?
So Eric further clarification would be appreciated.
Epic piece of work. Mr Cox would make an excellent leader.
Silence from you on Banks' blatant lies. Shame on you.
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